would you at least agree that on these kinds of issues, big government versus small government, there is a distinct choice and it's not that hard to figure out who is for what in this presidential campaign, ralph. >> they're not going deep enough. we really have to renovate and repair america. that's the biggest jobs program. the schools, the clin i cans, sewage, water systems, public transit systems. good jobs in every community that cannot be exported. how do you pay for this $2 trillion investment that the american society of civil engineers has outlined? you pay for it by cutting the bloated military budget. you pay for it by getting rid of hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate subsidies handouts and bailouts and pay for it by returning the corporate tax system to the time of the prosperous '60s and you get out of afghanistan, stop being an empire, getting more political candidates on the debates, more voice for the voters. you know, give voters more choice. and this -- it's very interesting, 17 redirections for our country. most of them are supported by liberals and conser